Posts by Fred Franztone

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Fred Franztone

While resultant species believed to have evolved are evident, no one has ever come up with fossils of transitional species or a chain of evolving transitional species all connected to the resultant. Also, take the human being, there are no surving transitionals, only the final result. Hence, everything roaming the earth is a resultant species from the mechanics of the evolutionary process. But there should also be around the other species that connect everything together. There aren't any. --There are a lot of explanations though.

You presumably had to read information you initially found troubling in order to see the light and leave the JWs behind. Why not put the same critical thinking to use and read a book about transitional fossils.

HINT: All fossils are transitional.

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Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

last year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.

today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.

Fred Franztone

Venus, I don't understand what any of this has to do with anything? This thread is about evolution and you've hardly even talked about evolution. You've just quoted biologists talking mostly about other things.

This thread isn't about how atheists feel, to which there is no answer as they are all individuals and are arguably the most varied bunch on the planet. I've literally met fellow atheists with whom the only thing I agree on is the non-existence of god.

Moreover, the complexity of DNA isn't due to evolution, it was already complex before evolution got started, and altruism is so far off from the OP I don't even know how you got there.

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Are there any full preterists here?

by quincemyles in

are there any folks here who believe that armageddon, the "second coming of christ.

" the great tribulation and resurrection are past events rather than future?.

Fred Franztone

The gospels were written after 70, trying to make it look like Jesus prophesied it. They had no interest in the future at the time they were written. Would anyone writing such texts today care about a specific generation living in the year 4000?

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Why do ex-JW's talk so much about being ex-JW's?

by Sour Grapes in

is it because we were in the cult watchtower compound that we talk about being ex-jw's when we stop being active?

i have never heard anyone say that i was an ex-catholic or an ex-lutheran or an ex-baptist.

they just stop going to their church and don't talk about it.. years after not stepping inside a kingdom hell, many of us still have to talk about being ex-jw's.

Fred Franztone

I never do outside of this site, and I only do it here because that's what this site is specifically geared towards. Most who know me in real life have no idea that I was raised as a JW, and they never will. I also never talk about the religion with my PIMI family, who know not to bring it up when I visit them.

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Since leaving the JW Organization, who is believing?

by Issa in

jw
friends

i left the jw organization last year during summer.

maybe some of you can relate.

who of you are agnostic or an atheist?

Fred Franztone

One day the penny dropped and I became a Nihilistic non believer. I'm not an atheist (if my understanding of what an atheist is is correct), because I totally rule out any possibility of a god/s, I don't even give wiggle room for evidence. Forget that. There is no god and that's that. Won't get fooled again!

This is called gnostic atheism.

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Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

last year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.

today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.

Fred Franztone

Venus, you're making connections which simply aren't there. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes a theory explaining the diversity of life is just that, not an attack on or frustration with anything.

And calling Richard Dawkins a high priest of atheism makes it look like you've been living under a rock since 2010. He's fallen massively out of favour in the atheist community since the rise of the SJWtards.

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Fred Franztone

If you're still using terms like microevolution, macroevolution and primordial soup, then you have a very very long way to go with your studies. Read some more books, and choose them wisely.

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Since leaving the JW Organization, who is believing?

by Issa in

jw
friends

i left the jw organization last year during summer.

maybe some of you can relate.

who of you are agnostic or an atheist?

Fred Franztone

I think people who are born-in and then leave are more likely to become non-believers. If you grow up to develop the right kind of reasoning skills then you're unlikely to simply leave and then join another group or subscribe to another theological belief. The logical thinking that leads you out of the organisation usually leads to atheism, ultimately. That was the case for me, as a born-in who never really believed whole-heartedly.

Those who join the JWs as adults obviously lack the same innate scepticism of religion, as it would prevent them from joining in the first place. So I think those who leave having not been born-in are often likely to move on to some other religion or at least keep believing in god.

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Evolution doesn't happen today...WRONG...

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

last year i had a brother tell me that one proof evolution is false is that he doesn't see it happening today... i was going to bring of viruses evolving so fast that new vaccines must be developed each year but felt he was too closed minded to receive it.

today i was listening to the audio book of 'an ancestors tale- richard dawkins' and noted oe point that shined through.. here is evolution happening>>>.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html.

Fred Franztone

The OP is talking specifically about biological evolution, not the woo kind.

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Well...It's 2018 and still no ''Armageddon''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

1972 : we started studying with the jehovah's witnesses when my uncle became an elder and put fear into our family that armageddon was close.

1974 : my mom, my brother and i were all baptized after all the convention talks and watchtower magazine articles that 1975 would likely end this system of things.

1999 : being told that the year 2000 was going to mark the 6 thousand years of mans existence and that the 1000 year kingdom in the new paradisewould come in the year 2000.

Fred Franztone

It comforts me to think that I've heard zealous talks over the years from people who are probably now here.